H-Hour Podcast #113 Dave Harding-Prior host of Reorg Podcast, former Royal Fusiliers
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I’m from portsmouth that well. Maybe maybe navien the he’s down he’s down in might have been Three days he said three days in a vegan diet. I’d destroyed and yet three days. We went through that vegan options. And then we’ll fuck you with other piece. Why did you want to. Why did you see. I want the health. Say it’s a documentary. It’s a but it’s one of those propaganda documentaries. Vegans give out and we watched their shit with open eyes. Because i know it. I know there’s a lot lies in but we did it. Go and then i was their case could probably do i could probably be veggie. If i really needed to be i wanna be about. We could as well milk. I always forget about the cheese in the economy eggs. Either late get vegetarian. Economy can have headaches. And i mean if you’re going to be veggie comedy how can you us. Why not the fees are if you’re going to be a veggie ethical reason well as laser thing it depends why it depends what you’re going to do it so this so i’m wearing a baseball cap but only the mind vegan spin. I like the baseball little as it came up with enough to put on a baseball cough myself. Just to wind people up is a very touchy economic theresa touch but like you said it depends on what you do for so this is why benefit some people say benefit. Because he’s like he’s like what you call it which limitation. i went last years. I think just on like on the mental health just with the whole mental health awareness thing is tied unpleasant build. I started trying to be more conscious living. And just because the only a with a young I started doing different diced. I did diet. I kind of fish. The data least fallen four or five months but purely carnival like just purely meat animal products. You up yeah pure pew meats and fish now i would occasionally said lapse lapse occasionally like a cheat meal but i it was a deliberate. It was not to go right. You’re gonna want to go you connie anything but he makes an impossible task. There’s no way. I’m not gonna have a fucking like pasta veggie pasta or something i anyway. It was really good expensive line. I’m bit boring but it was really good I phrase really good. I didn’t notice any negative negative. Things changed stuff. My my i stopped getting. I start getting tired spells after meals on a stopped in the afternoon. You get god. I stopped getting tired in the afternoons. People love me. I was tired like mid afternoon. Nap north end of the day. I stopped like please stop. But i attribute that still to this day. No the biggest thing happened to me through ultimate diaby. More of a diet is that don’t get slumps off. Here’s an essay out the wrong meal. Right so i attribute that to aiko suga anytime i love sugar as as in beer is an alcoholic. The only time of sugar occasionally the chocolate chocolate fingers occasion out a cheat in bali indulge. Now sugar on anything. i don’t get nothing slump. The only time i get slump. Is they cobb. Heavy meal or your sunday roast here with all the potatoes in analytical god on a no on also as presentable it changed when i went unheeded. Tweet now i- intimate and fast but not by choice. Just what’s happened here. So i’ll get to like early afternoon. I don’t need tweet until one two three o’clock near i can get to the of an all that includes trend in the morning. Molino trending today evening an elite then. I’m not craving. Korean intimate intimate. Fasces good i would do it. But i’m i didn’t deliberately go in aiming to it in fast because like i think i’m open mind is okay different diets benefit different people as a holistic approach to all. I’m of the opinion. Veganism works everyone. Who works for few people for different reasons. Like carnival.
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diet works with people. But it’s crazy. We need to have a holistic approach to me but intimate fast foster care about just through cut. Cut down the sugar and the cops and so my body went back to you. Know wake gave me burns fat. It burns fat for energy. As opposed to looking for watson. you’re the energy is simple. As i can explain it so i don’t get Don’t get hungry cheeses. I used to be a person to get ten. Am in the morning. If i had not breakfast by ten i would be going down. Ib in clip. I need food. Going to energy. Body looks to the fat deposits the fat stores for the energy as opposed to your belly beating a bit of a game changer of coffee. Yeah yeah so it actually goes against what you. The game. Changes say that documentary. What you’re saying about the energy goes against what i say what. That program is to be debunked. I guess you thing is if you watch stuff like that you’ve got with the mind of. There’s this views for other people could watch scientists. They give you know the views as i can meet. The kind of what is good but then people are going to push. What and this is a problem is this is. The problem is up with veganism dies. Money make any money. Make industry now moving on and attracts especially of activists and anything to do with ethical environmental aspect. The kind of people that attracted to the good people hold hotly good people emotionally invested in it very very very very susceptible to being spongy on on being spent bullshit. Now i’m not saying that the whole game changes for example that whole that was really interesting right but the whole thing isn’t all bullshit but when you start watching it with open mind which i did i didn’t finish it though because he’s talking annoyed with no mind saying it was a lot of it was propaganda but the guy behind the congress name. Ufc fighter the guy who made it. He’s doing it all on his intentions. Good guy believe what he’s doing. An example from that game chaim can game changes documentary one of the points to start getting annoyed. Because i want i want. I want to consume information presented a balanced way. Might well don’t be watching a documentary. Nice talking about twenty thirty four four. What you call him. Gladiators talking to study tonight idiots and they were able to determine from studying whatever the samples that gladiator music all came from one woman areas. Well not they said to him in the it is diet they said was vegetarian. Diet was vegetate fact decided plump. He said predominantly vegetarian well. He used the word vegetarian right. Put one but dominantly vegetarian right now. What they found in in research is that the gladiators diet was mostly veg. Competitive meet then. They used would not vegetarian. My diet is mostly veg and meet. I have more vegemite plate. And i do meet. I am fucking vegetarian but to say that in a documentary like that the people are gonna hang on. The word of god. Cloudy is a vegetarian. Diet of mostly edge partly me in the plate. But because it’s a film like that and they’re trying to peddle whatever trying to peddle. They’ve said vegetarian. Bollocks the thing is what do they use. They use nate d as an example. He eats fish. So and the thing is i watched it. I’m looking at it. And i’m karen okay but that does does athletes doing it right but no one the best. There’s no one the best you don’t looking at the best. Like they put that strong strongman in saying he’s not the strongest man in the world. I learned there was a comment. Many many of those like talk to you arguably high level at least at us. But someone like sixty seventy percent of them. We’re not a changed back from the normal diet. Sings making documentary. Because i’m working again. I just like to clarify going to issue against the vegan diet have gone issue is against things like that still. Commissioner people vegan activist saying the vegan diets. Healthiest way for nola. Diets are bad for you. It’s no it’s not no. it’s not george. Genetic good documentary kissed the ground when you say good obviously in line with what we think know he so similar so he’s talked about the diet and about ’em palm-based is called kiss. The ground is kiss. Groundwork casillas kits ground is what he house and nerina radio talks more about regenerative form and i think is really good it so he’s more more on the basis of that says talking about palm bay’s plum as being better but he’s also saying it’s not saying you.
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Connie animals say if you’re gonna do it the way forward his regenerative farming where we have crossed growing. And i mean this far out my not rams of knowledge. It’s interesting. what are your house in. This flag is flat out tree hugger. Isn’t he on a. I have to watch that but again very difficult to find find you. Don’t you don’t get presented with that of alternate view on the on farm income agriculture for example the hideous story friend jeremy gibbs who full and he’s the founder and we got some conversations and is background is agriculture. We have gone to the depths of epa. Come on the puck is one. They probably trump by then but he was. It’s like not old farmer. Most farmers they actually give shit because a healthier animal is is better for them. In terms of an product and interim commerce. You won’t healthy animals because that breeds healthier on imos and they got better meet and they live longer less susceptible to disease and all that stuff. I think we also need to take into consideration. We’re watching it from the uk where the livestock and the tree license different over here than it is in america because all these documents document documentaries whereas in the uk we quite femmes they care about animals a lot more. Yeah i think probably the probably the us though you go the wrong areas on their absolute ourselves. You know i’ve been. I mean you know. I’d be like i used to host whitelaw on you go to you. One stable as one on olazabal. Everybody kept while you can see get wild and just good environment living and you go somewhere else in a different country on his fucking terrible. I mean that’s just not to point. That is awesome ourselves in the same as soon as you should. We get off the subject realms of expertise integrated into at just a lot to nixon. He was a retiree finished. He did nineteen years. Finishes a major. It was good to just get him on and have a chat with him. It was interesting to see that he did. He did nine thousand nine hundred joined in ninety three ninety four and then he didn’t see his supply pocus all about. I want to get combat experience. You speak to people different people about experienced in a coma and his. He didn’t experience his first combat until eleven years in way is iraq. I think two thousand five in two thousand and five. Yeah it was just listening to him. His first contact he was better. Money was the oc time and they. They’re in snatches memorial a full on hairy situation and he was an dinner with it and it just listened to him when he came back and fell is similar to how we felt and being in a settlement after the podcast. Ciller is good to get it from your point of view because as a normal entry soldier you kind of sometimes not dismiss. You look different. How everyone union because their offices so he kind of looked at them and think of them in a different way. Look at them spit. It is so interesting to see here from the even him at your stories thirty two at the time when it happened so in my age my age now analysis first time in combat but he was you know see so he was rolled around with company of men and he’s still getting back and fucking thinking at the time he said he said. When i hit the fan he had a little bit of boever flab and he was like fuck how. We’re going to this. But then he looked around and you just saw his men just like i can play in the game and just getting around down and doing this shit and he was like. That’s how i’m gonna gal because it he’s got you know and it’s just it was interested in hearing it from him his point of view. I’m any any real real. How many people who independent episodes so that was mike thirteenth. So what’s the. What’s the breakdown between officers and non-commissioned. That was my second officer. Yeah yeah second. The first first guy was tony.
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Our is my one of my when he was from my lock. He’s a good lodhi instead as a good luck because he’s still around but he lost his leg but he wasn’t after the fatty but yeah we say it’s my second officer in the restaurant being described backs us so through through these. When did you start you. Start at july july till i was through the thirteen. Is there anything. Is there anything you been surprised by that. You didn’t like when you’ve been interviewing people what they’ve experienced or things i said then taking spicy fries and like i didn’t think that you experience so if i honest just people some of that share stories. You hear like your instance for instance. You know your story when you’re coming out with them gresh sakala like when you’re when you’re jingle trucks you can get and i’m like what talk how house i even like can’t comprehend if you ju- there you can’t come there’s no way me on it like icon trying to comprehend after this to you talk about i’m like like i don’t know how i would feel because i often then i’ll watch the documentary of that and i think she was the helmet down now sham the because they’ve got the video the is just trying to get your head around it. I think people still believe it now. I genuinely think that people don’t you probably don’t blame. You watch happened okay. Mental like when you think is twenty th century but that was sort of the you. That question is because a realization for me. I’ve been doing these podcast and meet and not just on the pakistan. But i’ve been introduced to other people and more military people whenever i would if i hadn’t been doing this. I’m from all different budgets and one of the things i realize. I think we have this. I think we in general exponentially who served on whatever unexperienced tomba in some way shape or form one contact fucking hundreds. We have this thing in iraq where it’s like that’s all sorts of unique to me. There’s not many people expense all if you in some pretty significant like Like mexico all any of the other. Big actions donny. Boy donny boy. With brian would iraq and stuff like that. I think that when you experienced anything man you saw of any subconsciously not a unique story and the worst end of will anyone can experience. But as i met more people in this. He’s more. I not jesus especially by rock especially iraq when when i speak guy. He’s about iraq There’s not a lot of people. Are excited like brian without narrowing like think as jones pretty taste yet. We forget about that operation. Because it’s overshadowed by afghan and shit went down is is comparable to some of this stuff. Went down afghan like absolutely comparable. Yeah fuck mental. Do you know. Blind which story yeah. Yeah that was was declassified. That’s one listen to on them. That’s the only noble episode one of Declassified podcast just just. Because i was i was. I was away working in greece somewhat. Just just sound allowed into living out in the sun and just listening to that and sat there remember sitting on a bench just like kind of staring into nothing going. Holy shit flack in. Like just like is hard for me to comprehend that. I can’t imagine like a civilian. Carolina had any experience in that trying to comprehend just like this one of my guess lawrence keizer. He was he was. He was all embroiling. He he got discharged for combat stress. He did he did like six dollars three tours of iraq three tours of afghan emcee from it but he was he was a just. I can just some the stories he was telling you can now like he’s just and it’s different like your your. Your experience in afghanistan was different to my experience. Enough gun yours was. When it was very much like small arms fire alarms fire and whereas my my time that was very much ide- orientated and it kind of the.
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The afghan will transition in different pairs like when lawrence went back in and he was like herrick so attain it was still predominantly small arms. He’s just the area that you’re in every team third in two thousand eleven. Yeah no i turn as my last. I mean it was. It was small arms lose so also id. Yeah yeah. i think is a winter towards. Well yeah yeah. Yeah he was. He was his law story on him. Thinking depends on where you are in the country as well people’s memories as well-made. Yeah i’ve got a a good. I had was. He was the first episode. Star is park. Jared dudley right and we were together and afghan la anyway and one of the things transplanted recently. Actually we’re having a few drinks on a jarrett’s memory. He he he literally cannot remember contact. He did was four. We did episode one hundred and was me directly. Guardian steve swelling good good friends all experienced some of similar stuff that we’re both snipers we just i. I do talk. Reminiscent about this event and shout. Jarrett kind of context. You can’t remember them. Remember everything else. But he’s going to block and his mind account. Remember that the concept that even happen so we’d be talking about something. Anita you fucking there you you did this. He did die. This is a remember you can’t remember like blacked-out and they’ll just one not just one event everything everything’s gone mental fucking mental. And that’s one of the things. I said in in one of my early ones. We all experienced trauma differently and we all respond to trauma differently. I am trying. I’m trying to try to remember why i thing is. I read a lot and i listened enough gala but one of the things. Is you remember trauma differently. There’s a lot when you are someone about a traumatic event. That happened a week ago. They’ll probably forget most of the you haas them about maybe a year later. They’ll remember more. Sometimes you just block our but then it works the other effects and you just forget about certain things so we all the what was what i think santa majorities. That’s that is a defense mechanism. It’s not like graduated. Forgotten got no recollection this stuff. That’s that’s again like send you want the trauma differently nowadays is brain shut nutshell. Yeah completely ignore that because that was not a nice experience. Those experiences remember the good times. Your old stuff around it. But you’re not you know on the other one is i remember. He’s changed time. One of the things i learned over the last few as as When you’re when you’re a member in a memory remembering the original avengers you’re remembering the last remembered it which is why memories become skewed. Tyne on a really interesting one. I’m not happen really quickly before the podcast. But i i think i think spoken real puck. I don’t do. It was an event. Emma sakala and and it was a few weeks just a few four. We got extracted there. We we interviewed by the royal military police later on. Because there’s a death involved two deaths involved but it was just. I was stunned. The procedure there was no nags executive orders and enemy action on our you remember recount in the account. Each one of me in charge found these two guys late at night and we would join by two medics called. Come help us try. Say these guys on so they joined the anyway. Each one of those four had to go and talk through the series of events. We did individually with an then we after after we sat together we were just chatting and let me start talking. Been talked about before. We started talking about event based in accomplishment after it by the attic completely. Wrong wrongly had like the sequence of events. I i’d i’d the events correct x. y. and z. a. b. and c. n. n. d. And all the things happen by the wrong order and they all those three guys and in my head. That’s exactly i recall. This is a matter of weeks before exactly recalled happen and french. You happened this up. I then they’re not nice. I could pick you ahead like no way no way. That’s not what this is all three of them. Now you gotta wrong.
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I mean wasn’t it was no shakes. It wasn’t like i said there’s no. Nowhere incrimination grown. But it out how i can remember vividly and yeah i remember. Remember it wrong again when you when you when you experiencing the event you you brings focused on getting your ass and getting people say from or your cell safe. It’s not focused on right. Remember this deals exactly what happened but then you sometimes you remember those random of ron. Move things and you hear about people with post traumatic stress disorder or some other mental illness caused by traumatic events. And they can be. They can be self intern. Emotional event by the smell or something. Yeah smell of remind you something else fireworks. I always i cordite man fireworks. i always smell called unfamiliar. It’s like a familiar smell happy. It’s really weird but for other people called canal all at all. That’s something that smells like. Dead bodies not sends them into something. Similar is fucking bizarre remembering smells trade. And i will make fun. Remember thing is music as well. So here music’s have put you in a funny wireless. There’s a specific specific. There’s a specific about talk a specific offspring song. The for some reason. Every time i listened to it just reminds me when a democrat around when i was like thirteen in australia. Just like you lucky in paper around but that song just listened to that and i also like friends if i watch friends when when we when we add money at a an iphone but he had all the seasons of friends and we decided that watching it so whenever i just we used to like. He’s the boss his wife to watch and then vice versa. So every i was certain episodes of friends remember list. Yeah i think. I think that like music thing for some reason i again. This is just me as everyone. But i grew up like read isolating environment afam in the middle of wales. Quayle’s not much social interaction with anyone on but my oman’s lp collection for some reason now maybe these events significant times like you’re saying this music associated with them unlikely by sometimes so i this full awesome tracks die discovered one week a few years back two or three years ago referencing. Somebody might think it was my job. Kill twenty eight years ago killed in syria on. He was on before before. Went to sheriff anyway. This week i started to the release rate on spotify. Discover these four mazing trucks to this day. They like the best tracks ever heard must playlist but the same week. After discovered them scene. We found out. Michael killed and now whenever you the tracks amazing and that it brings me fuck destroy. I’d rather not. I brought him up. Selena pointing to this My mother the music trigger laws. So it’s it’s the one thing that can change my emotion on my not when i was driving your for the puck out for super stressed. It really tired on the contact with all like a stick on spotify music on trucks to and within the space of five minutes chamber mood got as go. Just listen to music. I mean. I grew up. I was appropriate like proper metallica. I love metallica as problematic. We’ll actually you know. So whenever i get pissed off in an honestly i just this is already listen to me. Now do it on. If i’m like not like sad but if i’m pissed off i’ll just put it blair in loudon like just take me back to being a teenager. Listened to metallica. Yeah what did you notice. Did you notice any difference in the way. The officers recount their experiences. Compared to the nco’s today the different way today. Remember different types of stuff is interesting. Yes because the series in the butts that don’t look at it. They don’t care about the bigger picture whereas speaking taiwanese especially being tony he was more help looking at why we were there. He does more into that so it was interesting seeing it from from that point of view. When you’re you’re just there to get the job done due to qaeda because you want it to be whereas you’re not really looking at the political side of things him down which do it was.
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It was more than one of the things out set to buy for them. Is your at saudi money when you’re always any launched up. Nco’s you grow to be a leader you know and some of the best leaders ngos but being an officer you have to be a leader from the star and you get get some good leaders you get some badly get some good offices you get some battles but you’ll that like one of them so i was very fortunate when we’re not had to plan a great great yarmouth tinkham on and multi sajjan was my hero song. Violence honey died on saw but just were the first time we lost someone we contacted it was. It was on a bridge on the canal. Path the contact and everything out the whole the whole if we lawsuit su he would have been fucking amazing but it was as soon as we found out. We loo- morale johnson. Everything as you would expect. But then we go patrol the next day and as an officer an between solomon just trying to rally your men. I couldn’t either. I couldn’t imagine how that would have been for them to get to the good leaders especially vow you spike you as we speak to each other seeing it for the officers point of view when you do your impulse lucky because you get speak to people you speak to you know so i wouldn’t. I guess i wouldn’t get enough so he was not a good person so the people i’m going to speak to always going to be good people. Yes so very. Is i guess a tainted. Look at the officers view because this officers. I’m choosing to speak to you. Know what i mean. No yeah yeah. I know what you mean just observation. You made that we as grow into alita with forced to make the choice straight into it. That’s a thought. Fuck that like you think about. If your your your patinkin onto your twenty two you go in and your. He’s trying to lead kin. Bunch obsolete regret for base like. Let’s say you got a guy you’ve got a sajjan. These probably twenty eight to thirty called shit light of experience you got some folks crews between the ages of twenty to twenty eight and then the rest of them are just probably got a few senior. Tom’s and bald but the rest of them and like just nine thousand nine hundred eighteen. You got control them. You only twenty three yourself and you just out university i yeah. They must got themselves like the sounders. Prepares you leader right now. It prepares you to passively. Eating petty manage manage veggie to plan. But like you say they must himself coming out knowing they’re going unit where the right on mon is going to be between. Sergeant is being in for excellent. Es easy and i remember when i got pro. It’s a platoon gordon. You between kamanda. A guy called smith mrs smith. Fox’s name coming base. Cool guy smith now. He wasn’t agent smith now but i remember sitting in the office and he came in and i was not i can think of it. I wasn’t quite young. Young between sergeant but expediency. I’d let him any office and starting to brief him up the platoon on the absurdity to the absurdity of the situation. Hit me night. The i this guy is good lead. He’s briefs me even into fucking seconds. I’ll look young and i. I was just god’s honest truth. When i was trying to be from a smile and i couldn’t i couldn’t stop the smile and land ignored. Smile of like fucking couldn’t believe ethic mind. This is madness madness because that was we done to tools of after that point. We’ve been getting ready for a man like mental. Why you and. I understand that work at that point when i was in between scientists boots and now explain. Expect this guy brand new guy.
00:45:03 – 00:50:14
It’s come and take over as like. Wow wow i mean you you as a between solid and you you learn and you can adapt the way you lead because of your experiences of how you see the leaders and one of the stew achy before we finish as we were finishing a podcast. He asked me a question. He well you know. I’ve been a leadoff being an officer. But what’s it from your point of view of makes a good leader from. He said well. I want to see it from your point of view. And what makes it good officer. What makes good ceo to in command on. And i said to the thing that really matter the blocks it officers a cat and you got different Different types leaders. You’ve got red leaders. Which are the you know. The classic do why way and no other way get shit done but no one that will allow people who struggle to follow them. Because i didn’t like them because they don’t realize people and from my experience the latest voice dumb. Well i’ve liked and i’ll try to mirror myself. His the wanna cat the cat about how you felt. It wasn’t about jobs. Go get done but you’ve also got to. You got to use their heads basis. Not going to get done probably. Yeah yeah. it’s yeah. I think the best on the adopted the situation situation that the leadership style said situation the people that are leading where they are you know an on. What’s been going on all of that. But i think also makes a good leader a part from what they have the act is what causes them as well as called into who is being least in the past like what’s been your experience of being let in maine is really lucky. I really lucky. Good i from the most good commanders. All the way through and i like of widely different styles. You know guy. Guy called watson three and i never. I never had in three power as commander but was always screws indep. Oh in phase one. He was just like missed. Super-relaxed super laid back. You know just like always didn’t give a fuck a look on him. But it. Because i never had in in a battalion italian opposite. End a fucking hard hard and fast like take no shit commanders. He just just beast if stepped out of line. If you didn’t stop lying on the ball again and if you if you if you if you have the wrong the wrong role models man. You can either be you you know you. You may not be the grist for can leader. Yeah i mean my my semi experiences to five years you know. I’m going to my experience in the very slim to none but was leaders. Is my time off to the army. Ralph st. people manage may or late lead me. I’m like like the way you do the way people feel about houston going to change. That and i’m gonna adapt and and tell you down because five years me. I’m not like. I don’t know too much about you. Know i experienced a handful of between modernism sergeant. Try and even the most of the people i hang you know though i work with now ex military so you can kind of take it from that but you still got to try and adopt your way of leader leading through seeing different people no easy. It’s not easy. And then the officers those ones we find themselves in a position where they’re to lead and if i can hate it. Yeah i mean there’s some some someone metabol- was well. I wanted to mention his name. But i wasn’t there but he is one of atrocities mac drops off his rifle and he just not really well light and it wasn’t a great one and q work with chocolate. That you pull. Tatum was spot as we. The spot and i know why we call him. Spotty taybeh spider. Mr mr brechin. He ought never liked because he so he he was in battalion before my time He was he he just run down and he did all the pre courses of the ups and so he was the training squadron or whatever it was and he did yeah he was the head the s full.
00:50:14 – 00:55:00
My you caught it down there and just found it funny. He’s just a funny character. He’s a month ago now. He’s funny. he’s the main thing i want to do like miss. Oh spider taylor. So miss around battalion of spider taylor’s like this. There’s a myth that he wants the bill in his back garden and just out there for the weekend. There’s source absolutely believable. Believable after kelly’s called king of the mountains any dog doggy. Lets the dog leader. Yeah yeah it’s just his oversee the longer you spend on the army in the military us you get some no different terminology and you you can bring that into your daily life but he just has a way of just making everything military terminology just found ilaria to just sit there and it’s star talk like little things like re balmy warm out you war ball and i’m just like just start giggling free bomb your bowl with just on the economy the wars who says i can one way of bringing everything in the was so we were at dixies corner or something and saami make it was the ds in the in the in the toilet of something in spider. Us walks out of the cubicle. He goes q. And make sure we check you last walks off founder comical on on real get game on a lot of good story so john mcauliffe he’s now the wall and welfare officer fusiliers. He just he made a few stories about spot about what i didn’t ’cause so it’d be interesting to get him on the something kinsey things. I want to try and thirteen episodes. Probably nine of them have fuses so they want to be. I don’t want it to be a fusilier ernie podcasts. I’m trying to just be a bit more. Get more other people. Yeah i so. I started i. That’s what i i typically. Hr is cannot be registered stick and because much as rich blogs with love that. The reg looks aren’t the only experience going up into which people have experiences and different different things contribute line and so i went on a mission to read it conscious of copyright episode. Main fucking boot. Honestly i don’t know i don’t know how we’re not an odd. Hardly any rich books on so now. I don’t care because as podcast growing so as my network of people outside of the rich as you start off invariably your network is predominant used just one of the things i wouldn’t i wouldn’t honestly i wouldn’t like me with a bunch of fucking again. Got some good ones next line. Like fucking love. And that’s the other thing fucking was an we send it to you. Did you know that. Game of thrones. You ever seen that game with thing. Let’s see if we got like images of game with what they could be. Oh the units character union the this year so this is great book. Austin where is it. Toss its long power and mason the marine ones. Just the best said that that good fighters but our big. Oh yeah yeah. I think i’ll see now. I think i’ve seen it anyway and powers powers and that but i’m go get in. The new year is a is a ti lead and he reach out to me. He said we have thought about some of them.
00:55:00 – 01:00:16
Not said i hadn’t thought that before but yeah like the thought of. Can you imagine doing what you did. Go away six months. Because he he. I think he was the light and he was on hurricane levin and he was mentally. Just go out there for a six month. And and i think he was just a mistake on the ended up being in a roy syrian and on the ground against mashed. And can you imagine doing your tour and then go back to every job two weeks later or whatever you know after you come out for six months and just trying to get a process of being normal sivy again like you couldn’t like some so so now that would be interesting getting getting it from his point of view and how we try to integrate back into pin. Sivy you know and even if you did your six month tour you signed off when you go back you store year to to become a city and even know that’s going to be hard. Yea i think Yeah no yeah no. It’s hard. I think even i think just some own experiences even just come back from being on operation let just kind of back to not be on the operation operation to not that i found out i was still in here mr lynn fucking out because each the shock and not the shock. Just a difference in what you do it. Life not ops is complicated very very very simple. Simple simple as nominee easy right. It’s very simple. And that was one of the things that i really struggled with going going on On the sivy job you leave and you’re six months out. I think it was tom. Martin was talking to until since ex raf ridge and suffers with suffered with complex. pdf conveniently e runs. Liftoff liftoff films. Now philly fucking brilliant guy fucking guy right and i think what happened to him. I think it was basically left the mail. Some fucking crazy shit like left lifts all the crazy shit. I wish could remember bloody story now and then end in uni within a matter of weeks so not just back is job but in a city of easing uni with students. Anything five ten years. You’re going whatever quick. What is going on what is going on. i cut. that could not be. I mean when. I left the army. I was meant leaving. I left to play professional rugby. That didn’t transpire then. A wanted to go to uni and then thought i was just doing all the process and the thought going to university owes like so. It didn’t pull the plug on that. Why what was it. What was what did you not like about it. Why people people struggle among the irony of it. The irony of it didn’t do it. Because i didn’t wanna rock uploads it debt and be like an the army rose in a fulltime job and then go to university and iraq-us because it was it was the year when it went from three thousand to nine thousand coincide perfectly we meet even a miniature fucking brilliant and then i was like me being in the grounded dare to to do it and then i was like the irony. Auburn is then struggled as always end up doing this minimum wage jovan. You know he’s just like fuck we should have just done it but just the thought of going to uni hold of mean twenty three which wouldn’t have been too bad still young budgets do about that and then ended up moving to london up there anyway. So what did you leave for you. So i left to play professional. Rugby played in the army for the under twenty. Three’s and the combined so sunday. Twenty eighteen steeply. I was like you know. I’ll give it a go. Because i want to because i was your your big refund. You bene- power rugby’s not take an infantry in england and the english units is not if you’re a welsh unit fucking love rugby you get time off. She’s like it was almost as you would expect always was looked down upon because those playing rugby. Because you can’t get them off. And i was like well never gonna do. I didn’t want to didn’t want to transfer. Because i was if not that i didn’t want to go to another unit. Then so as i’ll give it a go and get out. And wineries went hoping of being able to play in a shoulder operation before i left and then at about year rehabilitation and then like couldn’t handle tackling seventy stone blocks play league union union.
01:00:17 – 01:05:01
Yeah i’m like. Oh for for instance. When i played so i got was the first pick for the combined services under twenty three and to play at twickenham and you needed like two weeks off before my unit was always. We’re running excises always replying. What’s the tax and so it was play room that and important and they. They gave me the they gave me off with right so i forgot about it. They get the whole time off the exercise to go do a two week exercise. Whatever and they didn’t didn’t give me the. Oc put me in the office that day before the game as our ap. We’re gonna give you the tom wolf to go play. The game obviously not going to get picked. So i went and i am sound bench like you. Just ruined moi johnson twickenham and then. Luckily i dig another opportunity and we but and need rugby’s big thing in the english units of infantry sports sports the frowned upon dependent. Leads is the sport that you’ll unit so three power boxing. Yeah right on. Am when. I when i when i took over the platoon. That conversation with miss the sergeant major steve. Masha and he was also running the boxing team. Mate i come in on a fucking in a mall. The blocks parade or presumed create on people miss it only certain times of a year with the box teams kicking and getting ready with xyz person. Fucking joe’s fucking. Joe biden joe. One two and three. Oh yeah. They got the boxer by. I’m going to exercise train or whatever off my medicine fuck. I couldn’t say anything sergeant. You made you one of the boxing team. It’d be all being thrashed. Rugby seven big be made three five bucks in two pies boxing. I i tell you what randomly power edges all over randomly fucking bobsleigh team bobsleigh team. The bobsleigh team. Yeah it’s all about. I think one point. We had a bobsleigh dom team was was registering. Fucking random random because they just need pick men and men can push you. Well you stereotyping. There’s a big man fucking questions. Why did you why did you start. Podcast which one of the chief. What what did you want to achieve right. Would you check and has it changed now. So so i started it so like many units in a british military. The minute was suffering from low suicides ambitious. Ptsd related or just other issues related. Anyway he got to a point. You know i think we’re near double digits in the last few years and i asked actually talking about actually i pulled because when i went down last year i was down with what was then team yukon. Uk now react last response was doing a training course with them and you polls usually. The new pos open to talk about his head in the sand is a measure guy. I said what. What’s what’s the draw. His mental health suicides within within veasley. It simple as i put it on sugar. That might make a fucking nightmare. The reason i asked is from my perspective on the people. I know i know personally. You’ve taken lies or tried to fucking many people. I know it means a wider through the regimen. Must be in so many more. I don’t know about fucking but is how widespread is across across eighteen forces. Because it’s on the tell how bodies or how you know how difficult things are serious. Things are when again it goes back to the this vegan think fucking outrage thrown up in statistics is hard to understand what’s general.
01:05:01 – 01:10:04
It’s not the same with military suicides military veterans suicides. Tell us real to. I asked him. He’s fucking nightmare. When what are you been saying that ten years ago ten years ago. I don’t imagine like people that stage who’ve been in before iraq afghan ask the same question. They would have been going fucking. I don’t know he’s a fucking nightmare and this the analogy that i use recently is we’ve all got your. You’ve got a class class. It doesn’t people’s glasses at different sizes and you can take a load of shit in that class but eventually will fill up in overspill. And if you look at if you look at people who has taken peach a lot of time is not is not the factor reason why but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t contribute to get you saw you or your life before the army. You could’ve put in glass you you saw that puts more shit nicholas and then you go home and then you have issues. G wanted shoes high. And you want one of ’em he took his not recently and it was because he was having custody issues. Kids gonna tits the edge so it was getting to a point where i’m like. There’s no he will. I was listening to the joe. Rogan podcast is one does and there was a lot named trevor thompson. He’s a seal and he said. I really appreciate what you’re doing for the veteran community and ironically i i couldn’t i didn’t know there was anything out then subsequently have recently. No no no. There’s obviously a lot law in the uk. And i didn’t know that to start. So i was like fuck. Y’all do mine and the puck. Oh sorry yeah so. Do you mind and i wanna get you said. I’m not this bow veteran on talking. You get one tool and it was a pretty harry tall. But i know a lot other. I know a lot of people who have done a lot shit and get to know a lot more people. And you’ve got the celebrity soldiers out there. Beaver also got lost soldiers. Stories will never get heard of but as a lot like i felt. We know a lot that will one no we we know a lot about what would say well one less so because just the time period i just felt i didn’t wanna i didn’t wanna lose people stories from the afghan war because it was two thousand and three four two. Yeah until two thousand and fifteen ready when it was twelve thirteen years fighting that a lot stories out there for people to to tell and if i can get people like yourself one who can talk about shit went wrong when chit happened. The may be someone who’s struggling can talk to talk because no-one no-one about family about it now and i’m very lucky. Lie my brothers served with me. So we you know and my make some. He’s got his power Anyway they best makes so they talk about it. And i talked to my brother. You know. I talked to my brother about it. So i’ve got that person but if you you’ve done ten years in ministry you leave you go back to like everyone. Does weekends they go go home. And they’ve got their sivy mason. You’ve got humidity remains delete the army. You’ve only savy maze and to talk to them. You don’t talk to them anyway because you’ve not talked to them about it and found know about it so feel if i can get people like yourself will were being in combat seeing combat and talk about it and show. It’s okay to talk about it than other people can fill. It’s okay to talk about their experiences because as men specifically we are talking. You’re not talking about talking to experiences or you talking about the effect of the experiences right. Yeah yes yeah is in how it made you feel because that’s how it how it make you feel when ’cause ’cause if we can talk about that shit then when we find in hard at home for from other shit maybe can make it easier to talk about pick up. You find your jamais on having issues. Mrs whenever you know no one knows very much a before like on open minded person like change my mind a lot and before you for you came on with me.
01:10:04 – 01:15:06
I was very much case my head. I’m like we just need to pick up the phone and you. You made a valid point as i. It’s all well and good saying that but when you add a point you don’t want to pick up the fine and it’s fucking hard to do so as of my theories now changes like we just need to make it less of a an issue to do and if it becomes it becomes more normal to talk about how you feel and it’s hard it’s really hard it’s really hard talk about you. Know not fluff. You ate face joining. You’re trying to say it in a way. That is not fucking gay. He basically in pod expression but this is the problem. The problem is. I really feel like the way. The campaigns have gone trion try and combat this mental health awareness so we talked about his mental health. People be more aware of their mental health. Whatever stage is noah stephen. Everyone’s going to be more aware of it. So it does get bad or whatever you can can deal with it but i really feel the way to go about the campaigns in language in a manner that would work if you try to talk it women but not men like it’s like a man cry to like what you think that message. I’m trying to remember which one that was using message is going to resonate with any fucking man. What are you talking about. Who put that campaigned. Again what marks fooled but dot com you together the wrong way to go about it and to clarify you people you and i. You know we’re talking about like talking when you’re talking about people you know so you do real podcast and people can and they can resonate. And then they know. Okay talk with the people. It’s not a when you talk about me wrong. Excuse me people to meet is this. Is this k- going to this. Is how i act now in in my own journey and how act now this is going to the means to me. How are you. I was finding out. But that’s it that’s it. it’s not not just eight. Sir is being honest and open right and one. That is me acknowledging i got. I’m not great at the moment to communicate not someone someone knows. I’m not expecting a fucking hug ca. I’m not expecting suffer. Be knocking on my door. I’m not expecting unique. Welfare office to go. Is everything right. no it’s a little one. Knowledgeable south of being honest and open is in itself a weight off me just by saying it understanding it to someone else knows yeah no that’s all fluffy bullshit and when you’re talking about like that people listening to resonate in. I understand exactly one of these. It’s not this. Did the podcast. I was in was in about being comfortable. And being honest about fucking feeling right at minimal simple level. Like i just like i just explained i was in. Hr four k benghazi garbage place. H kinkel jester. It was about a. I think we the talk about a year guy walked in reg. Inc name. we didn’t would like but we bump bump shoulders in battalion a few times and He will shuffle the fucking out. A name probably wouldn’t mind fucking going any and yeah things fucking but You know i’m i’m dealing with it. That was the first thing that happened to me. I ain’t a achieve is right. And the only reason. He said out loud. Because new. I i’d be i talk of an open. The podcast a nice fucking reg bloke. Oh fuck an explanation bloke. Who would otherwise. It never ever. I would never have expected to me loud. All and he said it to me in normal conversation on inside. I went fuck. Yes yes because that would about five years ago. If i never stop the polka thought i would never say that to me. Ever it to me. It doesn’t matter who we say to. The point is eve. Felt confident enough to say out loud. Like fucking out and just fucking awesome. That is exactly what. I don’t think any soy don’t think of him for people. Don’t i’d like to think people things of me when i talk about when i found things hot because because it’s it’s fucking it’s just what it is it’s just what it is the differences for blokes is.
01:15:06 – 01:20:01
It eats the we find it incredibly difficult and especially military especially military wherever branch. You are navy. Rif of on army right. It’s incredibly difficult One from on to from industry is to be honest and open weakness a perceived. Exactly what it is it is it is a weakness in a way but also a factor fucking life. It’s a fact of life. Yeah but he’s a weakness in the needs to be worked. We all have weaknesses. Does that mean to be one. The things you the serenade been me with. What you said was is. It’s not about like he he he said he’s just tons of tough right. Then you can reach out to his mate and you can you can show what really resonated with me. So i did after that i did. I am sent a message like contacts of group. Just i phone body blah. If you need anything you know whatever few down but but it’s about what you said you can just ask your other mates around him to just take bit down. Just look for maybe inviting. You know you just invite going out for a drink or whatever the which you wouldn’t have normally done. You wouldn’t do it but you can just that little bit you. Just give them something to before. Yeah and actually because people often don’t know what to do and they were they were really the hardest situation we someone is blatantly going to go to an issue on whatever reason could be alcoholism substance abuse. Could we just fucking depressed. Always happy always angry. Which uneasily we talk. These things happen occasionally. But we’re talking constant days fucking weeks and he just you know as as as a fucking problem you buy. But that person doesn’t want to accept not doesn’t want to a knowledge it is going to crack on the outside. You can see it from your perspective all welfare perspective because there’s a similar is going at the moment if they aren’t willing to go. I believe in life better which is what it is. It’s not a clip. I could be better. And he’s always they wouldn’t accept that you can’t force them to have treatment. You can’t do on makes it really hard when you see someone on the pan and you can’t enough treatment treatment community can’t get help yep right in those situations again like it’s going on now with people i know and i don’t know the person involved i don’t know that so. I don’t the person using clip by know people who know they’ve asked me just revise and i’m not looking for office right but but it’s like my advice to them was one notify people. Does you regiment that. You know like just tell them right and then he said the problem is he won’t you won’t have any of it is like he’s been he’s economic work is causing problems blah blah blah. And they know situations. All you can do is like you say people so they go. It’s on the it’s on their radar right on the welfare office radar in china is rada yet but they can’t get the help and then you the circle of friends around him they the people then the they just rally stay in touch. He’s not gonna fucking problem disorder. I ain’t gonna work. They’ll go further away the they’re gonna even less communication go hard on the bottle of the heart and the fucking drugs little hotter whatever. Whatever bad shit’s going on. That’s exacerbating issue but all you can do is maintain constant communication regular communication fucking vinyl all the time just enough so they ain’t get pissed off by it but enough so that you can monitor what’s going on so if someone takes a turn for the worst bad the go a buddy you in fucking you in aberdeen. Is john. it three days going on the and no one. Can you go around. And that’s it. you can’t do anything else. The not a monitoring situation and keeping comes Works and people come out. The other end on is different reasons. People do that is a make. A mate widened. Smoking to khanate yes Recently on you within clip on. And i didn’t know because i spoke to us. Last time i was on the circuit. Rock went down someone.
01:20:01 – 01:25:06
Message me calm. About how the fuck i told her about it. But he’s not living far from me he’s done by texting on and he was not a good way and drink himself into oblivion like he was on it done stuff before that contrite anything’s the fuck me use embarrassed embarrassment you know he said you just embarrassed me about what. He’s embarrassed by the fact that he’s a man in with nothing in thomas a man with literally nothing you know not sneeze wife. Nothing kids You’re living on his own cutting to work. These sign off from work. Yeah we struggle for money. Just he’s just he can’t sleep. He struggles he struggles. He wasn’t he can’t sleep so we started drinking to be able to get to sleep and drink over drinking all day constantly and not want to speak to anyone for one reason embarrassed. Psych may not. The only one is not uncommon. He’s people struggle. With stuff you re conflict insolvent unless people know but again it goes back to the same thing sob story. I’m here to help you. Ma’am you give you know. I don’t feel sorry few. Let me i person you were eight years ago. You the fucking same guy. He just hard times and you can’t get out on your own you cannot mostly situations can aggravate on your own. Almost all of them. I couldn’t have done it if it wasn’t for. People mates some specific mates load of them but it takes one personal one or two people disconnect with something to keep saying speaking to you and just connect at one point. Fuck you you make a decision. You made the right decision to you on the opposite bible. You can’t fix yourself. This stuff can’t because his mental mental health breen place fucking tricks and you will convince you there is no option is no is no way out in the so it does no way out and you keep going down is the only way you know. The only way should get ready to go because it’s fucking impossible because you all of the nola solutions are no longer in the radar. You can’t seeing because you brings clarity by whatever by thoughts feelings by alcohol by anything by family situations on emotion situations going on fucking situations going on and have them becomes a fucking nightmare. No out and it takes people around you to show you. There’s no mallory options and is weird. Scout is whereas help. It’s what it comes down to make the right decision but conte south. Most of the time. I wouldn’t done it permits. Yeah and your you could be me was quite enough if i’m honest because so why so one. I’ve always on the other spectrum. Where’s my lost. My mom knows nineteen and mother was eighteen. My sister was thirty. Had my mom is engaged and the guy who she was engaged to try to commit suicide not long after so i was. You can see where it was really hard for him but you know my brother. He was eighteen at time found him in the kitchen so i found him in the kitchen with the pills and everything on the floor and just like in my head. I’m what how. How without help us like. How doubt helped us. So you said that was always my kind of out looking at. It was like it kind of felt to me. It was a selfish thing. I’ve learned the more. I’ve listened to more i’ve read is when now that time that have. Is this your anything they can see. And i think the more we gets one to stand it and the more we can help people who are in that position. But it’s not gonna help itself and you know we need to talk about it more. I think as a society because suicide biggest killer the is. It’s not going. It’s not going away and it needs to be something like there’s no. There’s no government scheme to stop suicide but this government schemes to like governments games to stop heart heart diseases government skis suicides of biggest killer of men under four. And there’s nothing out there. So there there is saying is not like a no government scheme to help men in struggling. Times is not widely spoken to me still like a taboo subject but it happens and is going to continue to happen and we need to do something about it.
01:25:06 – 01:30:00
Where it’s knowledge is knowledge knowledge of your own self. You look like speak to my one’s eleven. Which twelve ship. Twelve hundred twelve fifteen. I talk him now inside you out. You accustomed physical injury. We’re going to would. You’d have strange cough now if you fractured your lego x y pumped your mom or. I don’t know what i would do without physical physical injury physical in this right. I think to me they would honest meeting rudimentary way at least or in a good way about mental health. If you feel really really sharing first off well even before. How’d you deal with something is it’s being aware of it. Yeah it being aware of it. Like i went through us me. Years and years and years of of an underlying just feeling of unhappiness underlying zay always up and that was an an and i still get those periods now especially on one of them. Wherever i know i know fix what is causing this awareness of you met. It’s been a way of your mental health. Not that that knowledge stop in school has decided school. That’s the start the youngest age because impacts you at every age. Not just thirty forty impact you when you’re a kid and if we start bringing in mental health awareness i’m not saying i’m not saying fucking everyone should meditate and do fucking yogurt but bringing mental health awareness at a young age my goal i think it would really transform society but also it would make it okay to talk about you know me it would make it. The more is that moore’s outlet the mort acceptable to talk about the more. You know you throw things not throw things in people’s facebook you know if it’s pushed under the carpet is going to be forgotten about and it’s going to be talked about is being going to continue to be to be subject and people aren’t going talk about it. Moore’s openness spoken amount. It doesn’t have to be an hour day sitting that you go through lessons but it just more one on one of the things i said to you know i i see it from different perspectives but i said jump joe mcaleese now. He’s the wealth officer the first time in is you know he was on my podcast and he he’s doing more he’s just putting you get you’ll regimen owners you welfare as you go our guest to the houses and putt wise. The pads and stuff. But he’s he’s just gonna put like a mental health not help line but numbers for it so it becomes so there’s always something that but if there’s always something that than this you know it’s not and if all of a sudden you don’t talk about you then through like a page of mental health and this is you just get brushed aside but it’s always there than that may help one person is always going to be if a double sided page in half of this about mental health and is always going to be there and it’s always going to be in someone’s mind when people are struggling instead of them not knowing where to turn they can. They’ve always got this voice if it’s if it’s more more the norm than it will be accepted eventually on the problem. Obviously is it’s a really isn’t what i might now. Everyone’s mental health fluctuates. Who you are. You know the most resilient person the world although these in the world was every. Everyone’s mental health fluctuates. But the more. I am now competitor. It was before i can. icu earlier. when i’m he’s built an app more on happiness as general anxiety or stress. Or what have i see building up a lot earlier than when it because a massive issue. I see it coming and i can deal with earlier so my so just stops me. Get into that the bottom of the pit before you stopped me earlier here and everyone’s on june to the bottom of the page. Just a deal with things in different ways and those people who those people who may have experienced stuff accelerates it just means there is a steep slope to the ballpoint pen and they end up back faster than maybe other people would like traumatic experiences and stuff like that. And they don’t know and the aware consciously aware of Their emotions and what feeling just fucking end up that the first thing though about that they they feel shit is super shit fucking pissed up on a lost.
01:30:00 – 01:35:04
Their wife girlfriend seen the kid so fucking x. y. Is that we did job. You name it. That mental health awareness people. Just see that if you like. You said they’ll just be fucking more where they’ll see early and generally less people are in the bottom of the pet society and start in my in schools teach it. Why home yeah. Twenty twenty twenty twenty one. Yeah well we teaching it. What’s more why. why don’t realize the benefits. From a money perspective. Much more productive society would be the country would be is if everyone was ever was mental health. Grennell state of mental health across the uk with just a little step wa. That’s what will happen every year. You bring it in. She’s not bringing. The young age is the next generation. Resilient this fuck next japan japan no fucking ninjas like literally but they really really good morale track record but they’re really just because of the way the culture is they do stuff that just help them at the did allow the shipper as port in the us as much about it but saying moore’s okay in the more is known them in the long run i and brady wanted to start the podcast and be a bit more talk about the hardship. Because so it’s one of the districts are used his you’ve got so there was a king’s london college study that showed i think it was nine point eleven percent of anyway rude eleven percent now says barras. Nine people veterans of ptsd. It was nominally. Seven point four point seven point four percent seven point four percent of donna. How they got statistic. Seven point four percent veterans self. Ptsd which seems icon. See it myself because only five percents soldiers see comeback so that the marry up and i feel. We need to say this in the right way. Those those statistics are true. There’s a lot people who’ve suffered from pizzas. Data don’t have not seen a traumatic event and eight. The needs to be study to to prison. That’s right also. If i can get you to talk about your experiences fucking getting taking almost collar in jingly truck then someone’s experience this not as bad doesn’t seem comparable so they you wise minds not as pat and i can deal with that trauma differently. You know i look at you know i look at my experiences. And i’m like the thing is what people remember. There’s always someone worse. There’s always someone who seem more shit. There’s always someone who’s done more stuff. And that’s my philosophy however always dealt with that because i had a pre shit upbringing my by my mom lovely so i like lifting council states moments at one stage. We have three of us use a single moment. She was on the doorstep of the town sitting there until they gave her a council asks because they were hostile. Mom’s knife i cannot you know so it was it. Was that kind of upbringing. Batum on that. Love me and then debbie kind of mom. Debbie’s someone economy become my mom. She’s a she’s a foster cara. So i see the kids that go through. She’s like one of the top level for skiers and fought me. Some of those kids had hard lives. So i look at my life normally just fucking nothing. It’s not comparable you know. And it’s like wising combine. it was. It was what it was but then you speak to. These people like yourselves other people. You hear other people’s stories five. It’s all subjective me. Yeah like you know. You can have some across the road good across the road. They don’t hit by a car. It’s a near miss by car. The car needy hits them right and they get post. Traumatic stress disorder can get some mental illness a bucket. And then you get this before this analogy before. So you got that one extreme. This subject is about how people experience something and he got someone else. We know people who did to three tools of wherever experienced.
01:35:04 – 01:38:06
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