“We would have had 10x more deaths” — Jenny Cleary MBE ARRC on Bastion, Frimley Park, and the NHS at breaking point

In this H-Hour long-form conversation, Lieutenant Commander Jenny Cleary MBE ARRC joins Hugh Keir to unpack her 24-year Royal Navy nursing career, from early deployments to Bastion in Afghanistan to managing a ward at Frimley Park Hospital when COVID hit. Jenny describes the first-ever Royal Navy medical land deployment, the reality of triage and “end of days” scenarios in UK hospitals, and why lockdown, however painful, prevented far worse casualties. They explore how military medics work inside NHS hospitals, the emotional weight of making life-or-death decisions, and how that frontline perspective shapes her views on politics, the monarchy, and national service. The discussion also covers her transition into property investment with Essential Property Group and what discipline from the Navy looks like in business. Jenny Cleary is Deputy Officer in Command Nursing at the Royal Centre for Defence Medicine and sole director of Essential Property Group Ltd. https://www.instagram.com/essential_property22/

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